What if the core of equine‑assisted work isn’t a method, a certification, or a discipline — but the shared act of creating a new story together?In this wide‑ranging and deeply human conversation, Rupert Isaacson speaks with Betsy Kahl — senior PATH instructor, social worker, horsewoman, and long‑time collaborator in the Horse Boy and Takhin Equine Integration work. Drawing on decades of experience across therapeutic riding, classical dressage, social work, and the performing arts, Betsy reflects on where equine‑assisted practice has come from, where it is now, and where it may need to go next.Together, Rupert and Betsy explore the often‑unspoken layers beneath equine‑assisted work: grief and loss, belonging and exclusion, the tension between mainstream systems and lived wisdom, and the role horses play in helping humans keep moving when life threatens to stall. From theater arts and role‑playing to adaptive riding, veterans’ work, and the quiet intelligence of in‑hand training, this episode weaves together disciplines that are too often kept apart.Rather than arguing for a single approach, this conversation invites practitioners, riders, and listeners to reflect on what unites all good equine work — care for the horse’s wellbeing, respect for individual capacity, and the courage to remain present in uncertainty. It is a dialogue about humility, creativity, and the radical idea that healing — for horses and humans alike — is relational.If you work with horses and people, or if horses have helped you navigate grief, transition, or identity, this episode offers both grounding and challenge.If you want to support the show, you can do so at Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/LongRideHome🔍 What You’ll Learn in This EpisodeHow therapeutic riding, classical dressage, social work, and theater intersect in equine‑assisted practiceWhy horses help humans move through grief without getting stuck in the pastHow theater arts and role‑play create safe containers for emotional processingWhat it means to “create a new story together” in equine‑assisted workWhy horse welfare is foundational to human safety and healingHow loss — of people, horses, or dreams — shapes equine relationshipsThe difference between siloed systems and integrated horse culturesWhy belonging matters for practitioners as much as for participantsHow in‑hand work can remain a lifelong anchor when riding changesWhat equine‑assisted fields can learn from humility, improvisation, and presence🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode[00:02:51] Betsy introduces her background bridging PATH, dressage, and social work[00:07:02] Growing up with horses who taught lessons, jumped, and worked in adaptive programs[00:12:37] From theater arts to social work: learning to listen, respond, and stay present[00:22:37] Shakespeare, non‑speaking students, and performance as a safe container[00:31:00] The arena as a stage — and why presence matters more than perfection[00:39:02] Creating new stories together across disciplines and populations[00:48:50] Veterans, classical systems, and horses as co‑creators[01:09:00] Equine welfare as the shared ground beneath all methods[01:25:00] Grief, aging horses, and continuing the story when things change[01:34:00] Why horses help humans keep moving through loss[01:36:00] Belonging, inclusion, and the future of equine‑assisted work📚 Contact, Projects, and Resources MentionedBetsy Kahl – Wonder Horse Ranch Email: betsy@wonderhorseranch.orgNew Trails Learning Systems – Horse Boy Method, Movement Method & Takhin Equine Integration https://ntls.coRupert Isaacson / Long Ride Home https://rupertisaacson.com🌍 Follow UsLong Ride Home https://longridehome.com https://facebook.com/longridehome.lrh https://instagram.com/longridehome_lrh https://youtube.com/@longridehomeNew Trails Learning Systems https://ntls.co https://facebook.com/horseboyworld https://instagram.com/horseboyworld https://youtube.com/newtrailslearningsystems📊 Affiliate DisclosureLinks to books and products may include affiliate tracking. We may earn a commission if you make a purchase, at no extra cost to you. Thank you for supporting the show.

✨ “Being different is not your weakness — it’s your superpower.” – John Kippen ✨ “Story is the original healing technology.” – Rupert IsaacsonIn this deeply moving and wide‑ranging episode of Live Free Ride Free, Rupert Isaacson speaks with resilience coach, magician, and motivational speaker John Kippen about identity, illness, visibility, and what it truly takes to come out of hiding.John shares his extraordinary personal story — from being diagnosed with a life‑threatening brain tumor in his early thirties, to waking from surgery with permanent facial paralysis that led him to withdraw from public life for more than a decade. What followed was not just physical recovery, but a long inner journey through shame, self‑judgment, and loss of identity.Through magic, storytelling, and radical honesty, John ultimately found his way back into the world — discovering that the very thing he tried to hide could become his greatest point of connection. Today, he uses those lessons to help others step out of fear, reclaim their dreams, and see their differences as sources of strength.This conversation explores illness, facial difference, vulnerability, creativity, neuroscience, coaching, dreaming, and the quiet power of presence. It is an episode about being seen — and about learning to see yourself with compassion.❤️ Support the Podcast on Patreon https://patreon.com/longridehome🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:How a sudden medical crisis can fracture identity — and why facial difference uniquely impacts how we see ourselves and how others respond ([00:03:22]–[00:07:46])What it means to “go into hiding” emotionally and socially — and how shame keeps people invisible for years ([00:07:14]–[00:08:10])How magic became a tool for healing, presence, and connection rather than performance ([00:10:00]–[00:14:00])Why naming the story behind visible difference allows others to relax, connect, and truly see you ([00:12:22]–[00:13:40])How creativity and wonder help bypass fear and open new neurological pathways ([00:50:32]–[01:00:14])John’s “Tripod Method” for getting unstuck when fear and overwhelm take over ([00:40:32]–[00:43:19])Why many adults are living someone else’s dream — and how to reconnect with your own ([00:51:42]–[00:54:08])How coaching can help uncover limiting beliefs rooted in childhood experiences ([01:03:23]–[01:08:03])The role of joy, service, nature, and presence in sustaining a meaningful life ([01:16:32]–[01:19:34])🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:John describes waking from brain surgery and realizing how deeply facial paralysis affected his sense of worth ([00:06:15]–[00:07:14])A powerful story from the Magic Castle where a single evening of magic helped a woman stop hiding after a mastectomy ([00:16:00]–[00:25:00])Rupert reflects on facial identity, vulnerability, and storytelling as a form of healing ([00:19:00]–[00:23:00])John explains how COVID mask mandates challenged — but did not undo — his healing around visibility ([00:29:50]–[00:31:26])A moving discussion on dreams, creativity, and why it’s never too late to begin again ([00:51:00]–[01:25:00])📚 Books, Projects & Resources Mentioned:Playing the Hand You Were Dealt – John Kippen https://amzn.to/3YM8K0EJohn Kippen:  https://johnkippen.com The Horse Boy, The Long Ride Home & The Healing Land – Rupert Isaacson Movement Method – New Trails Learning Systems🌍 See All of Rupert’s Programs and Shows:Website: https://rupertisaacson.com📲 Follow Us:Long Ride Home Website: https://longridehome.com Facebook: https://facebook.com/longridehome.lrh Instagram: https://instagram.com/longridehome_lrh YouTube: https://youtube.com/@longridehomeNew Trails Learning Systems Website: https://ntls.co Facebook: https://facebook.com/horseboyworld Instagram: https://instagram.com/horseboyworld YouTube: https://youtube.com/newtrailslearningsystems📊 Affiliate Disclosure:Links to books and products may include affiliate tracking. We may earn a commission if you make a purchase, at no extra cost to you. Thank you for supporting the show.

In this powerful and far‑reaching episode of Equine Assisted World, Rupert Isaacson speaks with Brandy Tomhave, Executive Director of the Native American Humane Society and an enrolled member of the Choctaw Nation.This conversation goes far beyond animal welfare. Together, Rupert and Brandy explore how animals—especially dogs and horses—serve as bridges between cultures, as carriers of medicine, and as essential companions in communities shaped by historical trauma, systemic neglect, and extraordinary resilience.Brandy shares her journey from decades of Native American legal advocacy into animal welfare, describing how colonial systems, poverty, and misunderstood cultural differences have deeply affected both people and animals on reservations. She explains why animal wellness cannot be separated from human wellbeing, and how concepts like relationality, balance, generosity, and One Health have long existed in Indigenous cultures.From the lived realities of reservation life to the ethical challenges of modern animal rescue, from horses as cultural relatives to dogs as potential lifelines in communities facing suicide and mental health crises, this episode invites listeners to rethink what it truly means to be humane.This is a conversation about humility, listening, ambiguity, and the radical idea that being a “good relative”—to animals and to each other—might be the most important work we can do.If you want to support the show, you can do so at Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/LongRideHome🔍 What You’ll Learn in This EpisodeWhy Native American identity is political and sovereign—not racialHow colonial trauma affects animals as well as peopleWhy many “rescued” reservation dogs were never abandonedHow dogs and horses function as spiritual, emotional, and cultural relativesWhat “One Health” really means from an Indigenous perspectiveWhy poverty‑based narratives often do more harm than goodHow animals can act as bridges between divided human communitiesThe ethical tensions around wild horses, land use, and survivalWhy animal welfare systems must be culturally groundedWhat it means to be a “good relative” in animal‑assisted work🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode[00:03:12] Brandy explains Native American sovereignty and why it shapes everything else[00:08:45] The Flagstaff shelter visit that changed Brandy’s life[00:16:16] The historical parallel between removing children and removing dogs[00:19:00] Why animal wellness is one of the few areas free from federal control[00:25:33] Dogs and horses as ambassadors between cultures[00:35:00] Relationality: animals as relatives, not property[00:39:02] The link between animal abuse and future human violence[00:44:31] Animals as companions in communities facing suicide and trauma[00:51:28] “Be a good relative” as a guiding principle[01:02:08] What animal‑assisted practitioners worldwide can learn from Native wisdom📚 Contact, Projects, and Resources MentionedNative American Humane Society https://nativeamericanhumanesociety.orgNew Trails Learning Systems – Horse Boy Method, Movement Method & Takhin Equine Integration https://ntls.coRupert Isaacson / Long Ride Home https://rupertisaacson.com🌍 Follow UsLong Ride Home https://longridehome.com https://facebook.com/longridehome.lrh https://instagram.com/longridehome_lrh https://youtube.com/@longridehomeNew Trails Learning Systems https://ntls.co https://facebook.com/horseboyworld https://instagram.com/horseboyworld https://youtube.com/newtrailslearningsystems📊 Affiliate DisclosureLinks to books and products may include affiliate tracking. We may earn a commission if you make a purchase, at no extra cost to you. Thank you for supporting the show.

In this deeply honest and wide‑ranging episode of Live Free Ride Free, Rupert Isaacson speaks with family therapist and author Amanda Atkins about what it truly means to parent a high‑needs child — and how parents survive, adapt, and rediscover joy along the way.Amanda shares the personal story behind her book How to Handle More Than You Can Handle, written from lived experience as the mother of Asher, a teenager with Prader‑Willi Syndrome. Together, Rupert and Amanda explore overwhelm, grief, resilience, humor, identity, marriage, community, and the long‑term realities of parenting children with disabilities.The conversation moves fluidly between personal reflection and practical insight — from navigating cortisol burnout and therapy overload, to the importance of nature, play, humor, and following the child’s passions. This episode also looks ahead to adulthood, community living, relationships, and what it means to build sustainable structures for life beyond childhood.✨ “You’re allowed to be more than just a caretaker.” – Amanda Atkins ✨ “Joy isn’t optional. It’s how we survive.” – Rupert Isaacson ❤️ Support the Podcast on Patreon https://patreon.com/longridehome🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:Why overwhelm and isolation are so common for parents of special‑needs children — and why talking honestly about it matters ([00:01:06])How grief, identity loss, and resilience intersect in parenting high‑needs children ([00:05:13])Amanda’s path from therapist‑in‑training to caregiver advocate — and why she focuses on parents, not prescriptions ([00:06:02])What Prader‑Willi Syndrome looks like in daily life, including food obsession, routine, and nervous‑system regulation ([00:03:11], [00:20:36])Why humor — especially toilet humor — can restore dignity, bonding, and regulation ([00:16:36])The neuroscience of cortisol overload, burnout, and why “doing less” can sometimes heal more ([01:07:45]–[01:11:21])How following a child’s passionate interests supports development, confidence, and joy ([01:13:29])Why community and informal support networks matter more than formal services alone ([00:55:06], [01:22:22])Navigating adolescence, friendships, dating, and independence for neurodivergent teens ([01:18:53]–[01:24:36])How parents can reclaim joy, meaning, and a sense of self beyond caregiving ([00:51:01], [01:33:48])🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:Amanda describes the emotional impact of being handed a diagnosis at 26 — and the pressure to be a “special‑needs warrior” ([00:04:00])A candid conversation about marriage, cortisol poisoning, and why most special‑needs couples burn out ([01:05:38]–[01:10:05])Asher’s first homecoming date — and how community quietly held the moment ([01:22:22])Rupert explains theory of mind through teasing — and why joking is a developmental milestone ([00:27:26])Amanda reads a powerful passage from her book on identity, meaning, and self‑compassion ([01:33:48])📚 Books, Projects & Resources Mentioned:Amanda Griffith Atkins: https://www.amandagriffithatkins.com/https://www.instagram.com/amanda.griffith.atkins/How to Handle More Than You Can Handle – Amanda Atkins: https://amzn.to/3LjgWSHning SystemsCamp Hill Communities (historical model for residential care)Square Peg Foundation (California) https://squarepegfoundation.org🌍 See All of Rupert’s Programs and Shows:Website: https://rupertisaacson.com📲 Follow Us:Long Ride Home Website: https://longridehome.com Facebook: https://facebook.com/longridehome.lrh Instagram: https://instagram.com/longridehome_lrh YouTube: https://youtube.com/@longridehomeNew Trails Learning Systems Website: https://ntls.co Facebook: https://facebook.com/horseboyworld Instagram: https://instagram.com/horseboyworld YouTube: https://youtube.com/newtrailslearningsystems📊 Affiliate Disclosure:Links to books and products may include affiliate tracking. We may earn a commission if you make a purchase, at no extra cost to you. Thank you for supporting the show.

In this episode of Equine Assisted World, Rupert Isaacson speaks with Katja Mehlhorn — psychologist, academic, and founder of Horse Kids Groningen in the Netherlands. Katja bridges two worlds that rarely meet: university‑level research and deeply embodied, nature‑based equine‑assisted practice.From her early work in PATH programs in the United States to building a highly individualized, child‑led practice on a Dutch farm, Katja shares how curiosity, movement, imagination, and horse welfare shape everything she does. Together, Rupert and Katja explore how neuroplasticity, safety, and play support learning in children who struggle with anxiety, school refusal, autism, and social‑emotional challenges.This conversation ranges widely — from teaching maths through Formula One role‑play on horseback, to helping traumatized clients rebuild self‑worth by caring for horses, to using landscapes, wildlife, foraging, and even horse poo as gateways to regulation and learning. Along the way, Katja reflects on leaving a secure university career to grow her farm‑based work, and on what the equine‑assisted field must do to stay ethical, relevant, and humane.If you want to support the show, you can do so at Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/LongRideHome🔍 What You’ll Learn in This EpisodeHow curiosity and play create safety and open the brain for learning Why following the child matters more than following a protocol How movement and balance activate neuroplasticity through the vestibular system Ways to introduce maths, numbers, and academics without fear or pressure How horses provide emotional feedback when children cannot verbalize Why horse welfare, fitness, and variety of work are essential in equine‑assisted programs How in‑hand and classical groundwork benefit both horses and humans Why nature, foraging, animals, and landscape are powerful therapeutic tools How rescue horses paired with at‑risk youth can transform both What equine‑assisted practice can offer to struggling schools and post‑COVID students🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode[00:03:35] Katja describes her first experiences volunteering at a PATH center and witnessing profound changes in children[00:09:18] Using Formula One racing games on horseback to gently reintroduce maths and numbers[00:16:00] Teaching balance through playful exercises inspired by weighted “Russian doll” toys[00:18:38] The role of vestibular activation in long‑term learning and neuroplasticity[00:27:01] Reading horses’ calming and stress signals to understand what children cannot express[00:32:57] Integrating fitness, trick training, and in‑hand work into therapy sessions[00:40:17] How helping horses heal can rebuild self‑worth in traumatized clients[00:43:00] Research findings from Brook Hill Farm showing improved school outcomes for at‑risk youth[00:50:55] Using landscape, imagination, wildlife, and foraging to reconnect children with nature[01:21:12] Why longer sessions allow children time to truly arrive and regulate📚 Contact, Projects, and Resources MentionedKatja Mehlhorn / Horse Kids Groningen https://katjamehlhorn.nlHorse Boy Method, Movement Method & Takhin Equine Integration https://ntls.coLong Ride Home / Rupert Isaacson https://rupertisaacson.com🌍 Follow UsLong Ride Home https://longridehome.com https://facebook.com/longridehome.lrh https://instagram.com/longridehome_lrh https://youtube.com/@longridehomeNew Trails Learning Systems https://ntls.co https://facebook.com/horseboyworld https://instagram.com/horseboyworld https://youtube.com/newtrailslearningsystems📊 Affiliate DisclosureLinks to books and products may include affiliate tracking. We may earn a commission if you make a purchase, at no extra cost to you. Thank you for supporting the show.